Why Daily Tournament Can’t Have No-Random Rooms
July 6, 2008
I have been playing this game for two years already and I have to admit this game is fun. And in that span of two years many things have change in Urban Rivals.
Two years ago there were no different rooms for players, there were no deck formats and nobody cares if random exist or not because there were no no-random room back then. And then they introduced the Danger Zone a room where random does not exist and where the highest attack always win. But players never really appreciate it because it became the nesting ground of high level players or players who have the best cards during those times.
And during those time abuse of the Daily Tournament was wide spread. We have EVO abuse which is gaining massive points from evolving your cards during daily tournaments which is one of the easiest way to win back then cause you don’t have to care if you win a match or not as long as your cards level up then you are happy. OLD Abuse, which is gaining massive point by winning a KO without using a single pill. And there was Organized Play where members of the same guild will play each other in the Danger Zone and losing to the one assigned to win the tournament.
Another issue back then was that there were no proper limitation on what card you can use during daily tournaments so many new players were crying to the admins that high level players are abusing them with better cards which for me is quite ironic cause getting card in this game is easy if you bought some credits and those high level players are the one who bought credits and supported this game.
To solve this they made two new formats Type 1 and Type 2 and enforce a strict condition that there will never be a no-random daily tournament room outside the no-random ELO room. When this formats were implemented I myself supported the change.
There has been a short exchange of messages between Fraggle and me in the messageboards about this because there was no no-random room:
Jade: In my opinion there should be only one format for daily tournament instead of two and just make the possible unused room in to no-random rooms.
Fraggle: Unfortunately, it would be unfair if not everyone in the same tournament would be in the same conditions. That’s the main reason we dropped the non-random room from tournaments. We do not like/want to make some players unhappy, but we have to make decisions.
We understand that every change will make some players unhappy. It’s unfortunate
Now, if you take the time to try and enjoy the new (much more fair) tournament format and the global SureShot rule, I’m quite sure you might find that tournaments are now actually pretty interesting and that the randomness of the game can be “controlled”.
And yes, the old tournament way was flawed and packed with cheaters and players who abused every rules of the game (and yes, we received tons of messages about that).
Before: always the same players, always the same deck, 200 points ahead of the main players. Now: various winners (low levels and high levels), various deck, much more tension, close scores.
And if there is less participants, that’s obviously because before, players were in tournaments without “knowing” it. Give a bit of time while everyone adjusts to the new system.
Jade: I know but having two types of decks format in the same tournament already makes not everyone in the same conditions?
Before Danger Zone was open to guys below level 25, people play tournaments in Dark Corner so I understand the random factor. This game started with random already applied it was meant to balance things out. With random a guy with not so good cards still has a chance to defeat a guy with elite cards. I am not against that but let’s see what were the flaws in the past daily tournaments are.1) Players use the same deck – this cannot be actually remedied. As of now everyone is experimenting what deck has the best potential with the new format and once a new deck starts to dominate then everyone will again play the same deck. Constant change is needed to at least prevent a dominant deck from appearing. Having restrictions on cards that can be used on deck can do constant change. If ELO has a ban list why not for Daily Tournaments.
2) Low Level against High Level – now another thing many are complaining about. As you have said some guys especially the new ones are easy prey during tournaments because:
a) They are not prepared,
b) The cards that they have are not good enough.
Now in this situation if a real new guy would play in a room against some fake new guys then he has little chance of winning especially if his starting deck doesn’t have high power cards. I may suggest that we have level limit on who can participate in daily tournaments or if you are really planning on creating simultaneous tournaments it is based on the level of the players. This way new players can be prepared to face tougher players.
3) EVO- as of now it could be safe to say that EVO play is dead. OLD died a year ago and now EVO. This is a great move on the admins parts. EVO as we all know is the easiest way to play and win. The only strategy here is the cards that you are going to use and the opponents you are going to play. Bye EVO.
4) Organized Play – I think you have already solved this. With an “Anti-Cheat System”. Just pointing it out as a flawed in the old format.
5) Prizes – if you want to have fast Clintz play Daily Tournament. I think the Clintz being given out should now be reduced. I know guys will hate me for this but for the good of the business Credits should be stronger than Clintz.
Just try to maintain balance in the game and people will like it. Just like what you did in ELO it is already about time to take out Graxx.
It has already been a year since that day and much has change the tournament scene has improved a lot and some of the flaws that I have stated have already been fixed. But why am I writing this? Simple I have to disagree about what Fraggle said right now.
Fraggle: Randomness in daily tournaments will not be removed because of cheating, fairness and FUN. You still have the option to play in ELO no random during tournaments. Daily Tournaments are more of a “marathon” than a real competition. For those chasing the tourney star, we’ll add more ways to get it.
You be the judge. I have already had my share about this topic. I don’t completely oppose random but I consider daily tournament as serious competition where some of the best players I knew have excelled.
Just to conclude this article is not meant to be against random this is meant to support why random exist in Daily Tournaments. For the situation today is much better than the situation before the changes has been applied to UR.
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Cauliflower | July 8, 2008 at 5:18 pm
I think the main problem with random DT (besides Fraggle’s will), that once it is introduced again, you will have to play non-random, to be competitive. The big guys would know the rules exactly, and the small guys would be there as a pray. Imagine their position: you meet some level 40s and 50s, and even if you do your best you will get 2 clints for the fight.
I remember whan the ’standard’ tourney deck was from jackies, zatmans, and rubies, and how hard it was for me to handle them. It can be really discouraging to loose without chance.
Now you can win a tourney if you have a good deck, can play fast, and somewhat favored by random. All 3 are needed to get the star.
Of course random rooms could be organised, (type 1, and 2 are a quite fair method, to the previous ones), but the creators made this decision, so now they are facing it’s consequences, what are not so bad after all.
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jade | July 8, 2008 at 10:47 pm
I agree it is something they can’t undo anymore. Random is a necessary evil that we just have to live with. The article was meant to educate the newer players about what happen before that leads to this.
No offense to Fraggle but there is something that I didn’t like with his latest comment which I might be mistaken was the fact that in my understanding of his comment is that Daily Tournament ain’t competitive so it should be random.
Even with random I still believe that Daily’s are competitive, I don’t think that guys who win them just put random cards in their decks nor play mindlessly. In Daily’s winning matches are not your only concern it is about maximizing the battle points that you can get in match even if you lose.
Again I made the article not against random but to point out the real reason why random should exist in Daily Tournaments.
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Fraggle | July 9, 2008 at 5:21 am
Hi Jade,
You got my last message wrong.
I meant as “not competitive” that as there are lots of factors (that you pointed out) to reach #1 in a tournament, not just your skill.
As for the flaws you pointed out, in the current state of the game, here are my answers:
1/ Unfortunatly, cards restrictions are a deck format thing. D.Tournaments are not a format
Restricting Type 1 and 2 would mean restricting them everywhere (wich we dont like too much).
2/ Even with multiples tournaments based on the level, there will allways been the problem of “fake new players”. And it would be an even bigger issue.. We know that we can only rely on level as a way to control how long before someone can do something.
To fix the issue you pointed out, we are going to enforce QB, disable refusals and tweak it to make it sure it pick related opponents (closes positions to you in the current DT).
3/ We agree
4/ It not yet perfect but the changes in 2/ should help fix that.
Fraggle
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jade | July 9, 2008 at 6:46 am
Looks like I did made a mistake about your last comment and for that I am deeply sorry.
And the flaws I have pointed out where the flaws of the old tournament which the new format is meant to solve. And some of the possible flawed for the new format that I also stated where as I also said where already fixed. Like the fake new players with the removal of the tournament rooms for low level players and constant watch in trading cards between players.
But as I have said earlier this article is not meant to be against random but to support why random is applied in Daily Tournament.
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Fraggle | July 9, 2008 at 8:40 am
No worries, I appreciate the time and effort
We might actually alternate DT between random and no random (every other hour) as soon as we have enforced the new rules (QB, No refuse etc…)/